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An Editorial in The New York Times by John Tierney, on the weekend, points to a debate where the subject was why the New York crime rate had fallen since the early 1990's. One speaker was Professor Stephen Levitt who had argued that the single most important reason for the drop in crime in NY is not increased police numbers or even policing techniques but the legalisation of abortion in New York state in 1970.
"The result, he maintains, was a huge reduction in the number of children who would have been at greater than average risk of becoming criminals during the 1990's. Growing up as an unwanted child is itself a risk factor, he says, and the women who had abortions were disproportionately likely to be unmarried teenagers with low incomes and poor education - factors that also increase the risk."
Levitt argues that the correlation between crime and abortion are clear: crime declined earlier in the states that had legalized abortion before Roe v. Wade, and it declined more in places with high abortion rates, like New York.
Tierney sounds convinced that the theory of extra police doing the trick was only acepted because of an absence of alternative information: "It's a theory that doesn't sit well with either liberals or conservatives... (but) the correlations are clear: crime declined earlier in the states that had legalized abortion before Roe v. Wade, and it declined more in places with high abortion rates, like New York.
Some criminologists have quarreled with his statistics, but the theory was looking robust at the end of the debate..."
The Miracle That Wasn't
By JOHN TIERNEY
Published: April 16, 2005
John Tierney
It is an inspirational urban lesson from the 1990's: take back the streets from squeegee men and drug dealers, and violent crime will plummet. But on Thursday evening, the tipping-point theory was looking pretty wobbly itself.
The occasion was a debate in Manhattan before an audience thrilled to be present for a historic occasion: the first showdown between two social-science wonks with books that were ranked second and third on Amazon.com (outsold only by "Harry Potter"). It pitted Malcolm Gladwell, author of "Blink" and "The Tipping Point," against Steven D. Levitt, an economist at the University of Chicago with the new second-place book, "Freakonomics."
Professor Levitt considers the New York crime story to be an urban legend. Yes, he acknowledges, there are tipping points when people suddenly start acting differently, but why did crime drop in so many other cities that weren't using New York's policing techniques? His new book, written with Stephen J. Dubner, concludes that one big reason was simply the longer prison sentences that kept criminals off the streets of New York and other cities.
The prison terms don't explain why crime fell sooner and more sharply in New York than elsewhere, but Professor Levitt accounts for that, too. One reason he cites is that the crack epidemic eased earlier in New York than in other cities. Another, more important, reason is that New York added lots of cops in the early 90's.
But the single most important cause, he says, was an event two decades earlier: the legalization of abortion in New York State in 1970, three years before it was legalized nationally by the Supreme Court.
The result, he maintains, was a huge reduction in the number of children who would have been at greater than average risk of becoming criminals during the 1990's. Growing up as an unwanted child is itself a risk factor, he says, and the women who had abortions were disproportionately likely to be unmarried teenagers with low incomes and poor education - factors that also increase the risk.
It's a theory that doesn't sit well with either liberals or conservatives, and Professor Levitt hastens to add that the reduction in crime is not an argument for encouraging abortion - he personally has mixed feelings on whether abortion should be legal. But he says the correlations are clear: crime declined earlier in the states that had legalized abortion before Roe v. Wade, and it declined more in places with high abortion rates, like New York.
Some criminologists have quarreled with his statistics, but the theory was looking robust at the end of the debate in Manhattan. Mr. Gladwell, while raising what he called a few minor quibbles, seemed mostly persuaded by the numbers.
"My first inclination," he joked at the beginning of his rebuttal, "is to say that everything you just heard from Steven Levitt, even though it contradicts things I have written, is true."
That's my inclination, too, as a less successful exponent of the same theory. (In 1995 I explained the crime decline with my version of the tipping point, the Squeegee Watershed, which became neither a buzzword nor a best seller.) In retrospect, the New York crime story looks like a classic bit of conventional wisdom, as the term was originally defined by John Kenneth Galbraith: an idea that becomes commonly accepted because it is "what the community as a whole or particular audiences find acceptable."
Unlike the abortion theory, which was raised in the 1990's and angrily dismissed, the tipping-point idea jibed reassuringly with everyone's beliefs and needs. Urbanites and politicians welcomed a new reason to crack down on street nuisances. Journalists wanted a saga with heroes. Criminologists and the police loved to see their new strategies having dramatic results.
I still think the police made some difference, and not merely because there were more of them on the streets. The new computerized crime-tracking strategies put new pressure on them.
One veteran cop told me that traditionally only a quarter of the officers had done their jobs, and that the heroic achievement of Commissioner William Bratton and Mayor Rudolph Giuliani had been to get that figure up to 50 percent.
But it now looks as if the good guys did not take back the streets all on their own, and the moral of the story is less about safe streets than safe beliefs. Professor Levitt's abortion theory is not appealing. But the ideas that make us comfortable are the ones to beware.
E-mail: tierney@nytimes.com
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Wow... what an interesting link.
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Professor Levitt hastens to add that the reduction in crime is not an argument for encouraging abortion - he personally has mixed feelings on whether abortion should be legal. But he says the correlations are clear
This seems important to highlight. If only our community was stronger and helped pregnant teenagers bring up their children instead of casting them off like rejects. If only there wasn't such a thing as an unwanted baby. If only money wasn't such an important factor. If only ...
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I agree Questioning. The editorial caught my eye because it seems to debunk the myth that tougher policing and zero tolerance laws were primarily responsible for the drop in crime statistics in NY. However, the usual "bash Africa" suspects on here will never concede those who are involved in crime are in fact the children of the societies they were raised in.
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will never concede those who are involved in crime are in fact the children of the societies they were raised in
True, and then you have to wonder how much abuse of drugs and/or alcohol by the mother and/or by the kids, when they are teenagers, have an effect on their psychosis.
Poverty is a complex 'disease' with wide-ranging effects - it's not just about stealing to feed yourself.
Do a search on the Empangeni Hammerman - I first read about him in Rian Malan's book - there are quite a few versions of his story available on the 'net.
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Mtunzini Hammerman please! You might make us paranoid about being in Empangeni!
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If only we lived in a perfect world,....I agree. I also think that comparable results may be achieved by better education, and better sexual and contraceptive education.
I do not think it is an argument to 'encourage' abortion, but in a way it is an argument to legalise it (which is quite different, as we can see eg. in Holland or Denmark). It is in a sense part of making society a better society, methinks. The decline in crime should be considered as illustration of an 'improved' society, access to abortion is only part, but definitely part, of that.
The theory nevertheless opens some moral questions. Should we take future vicims of criminal attacks into account in the abortion debate? Would it be ethical to do that? Or ethical not to do that? How close a statistical/practical and/or theoretical correspondence we need in order to simply be able to do that? (In other words: How hypothet ical are these future victims?)
The theory was first presented in the 90's. It was and still is widely accepted as sound by biologists, but much less so by social scientists. Interestingly it cut straight through the Nature-Nurture lines. (That whole nature/nurture thing keeps nagging us, for a bold attack on that somewhat silly division I refer you to Matt Ridley's very readable "Nature via Nurture" or was it "Nurture via Nature" )?
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"Nature via Nurture" or was it "Nurture via Nature"
Is a zebra white with black stripes or black with white stripes?
Do you index the titles, authors and contents of all those books you store your head?
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Should we take future vicims of criminal attacks into account in the abortion debate? Would it be ethical to do that? Or ethical not to do that?
It seems to me that if we accept that waging war against some will ultimately result in a better quality of life for those who survive and for future generations, then a prohibition to abort is no different if it results in a similar better society.
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Oldman, I do not follow you.
There is no reason to suspect a prohibition to abort would result in a better society, your article appeared to point the other way. Can you explain? It should also be noted that the lowest abortion rates, estimated and/or accurately known, are found in Holland and Denmark. These countries that legalised abortions in the sixties, in a legislation comparable to the present SAn one, have the lowest abortion rates in the world. Wouldn't that in itself not be a sign of a 'better' society? (of course, the early sexual education, high education levels in general and active promotion of contraceptives played a major role in these low rates)
Note however, I personally would not find it ethical to use the argument of future victims to make our present, already liberal legislation, more tolerant. For two reasons:
1- the observed reductions in crime rate were 'achieved' with a comparable legislation, not a more tolerant one (and think there of eg. Roumania).
2- The slope is very slippery, when a 'better society' is intended, we risk of falling into the 'Utopian Trap'. Communissm and fascism (and I won't mention more traditional religions here) have shown us to what it can lead ( even if we discount Nazism with its genocidal ideology).
However, it should give the rabiate opponents of legalisation of abortion something to think about.
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Nicky,
That last last line of mine should have read: "then abortion is no different if it results in a similar better society". I should check before hitting post. Sorry.
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No I don't really index them, it is not that systematic, but they are in my head, how otherwise could I refer to them?
I think the question of the zebra stripes has been resolved, a zebra is black with white stripes from a genetic/developmental pov. However, I forgot the source 
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In fact I read it as such the first time, until I saw you actually wrote something different. I think the second part of my post was more or less in reply to the intended reading.
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